I spent thousands of dollars taking a couple classes in order 1. She likely will stay in Atlanta with her dad, but I am trying to consider her in all this (safety, school availability, etc) in case she does want to come with me. Couple that with fewer subject requirements (most U.S. schools also ask for physics and calculus) and an unspecified MCAT score (and not even a mandatory MCAT in the case of international students), and its safe to say its definitely not that hard to get into. If you are considering a Caribbean school, first I would strongly advise for you to apply to U.S schools first. SGU only has a 12-15% attrition rate? I believe US Medical education has been throttled by the US medical profession itself. This is my second year and so far my school has showed a lot of support for us. Learn more, about Canadian Applicants. I would say go!!!! Hi, Every bit of it. Getting into medical school in Canada is very tough, and less but still tough in the US. I am same situation. I did clerkships in the US and a Fifth Pathway, and got a primary care career. So here am I with no way to support myself after putting in all that effort (which given all youve heard plus while having a family). Communism. It was Fee Structure of Saba University School of Medicine. A second chance is not often offered in life. That being said, you have to really think about how badly you want to be a doctor, because no matter what anyone says; the islands are another country. European model of 6 years is much better and slower pace. In the hardest of lessons are the seeds that will be the foundations for the rest of your lives. I am a Nigerian considering medical school too. I do not regret the fact that I met wonderful people, while being there. You know what you need to be a good physician, that is what you should focus on. I even managed to train for a marathon down there. I will have to look into this before I make my final decision. I will go that route now. This is obviously SGU lol for anybody who is not familiar with the Caribbean route. Im currently having that same issue. If you failed the No consideration was given to the obstacles that I had to over come just to graduate undergrad, or that I finished top of my class in law school. Compared to most U.S. medical schools, Sabas requirements arent as difficult to match. The newly lowered gpa requirement is in place so that they can get more tuition money even though it means that an even higher percentage of students wont make it through the program. Saba is not currently subject to the jurisdiction of and thus has not received authorization from the Massachusetts Department of Higher Education. I am taking the time to write this because Caribbean schools are not what people think they are, or at least my school is not what everyone says about Caribbean schools. days there! I also have a Masters in Applied Behavioral Analysis from the Chicago school of professional psychology and I will be publishing my research on paraphilic disorders by the end of august. My parents and I are trying to take a decision. At a superficial glance, Saba definitely doesnt seem too hard to get into. scholarship. I, too came from a Caribbean medical school and am almost finished with my residency training. To anyone who has suffered at the hands of carribean med schools, or who is reading this and has had even a remotely similar situation. Its good to read all of them just in case you have a similar or positive experience if you do take the road abroad to the Caribbean. Then with time, they harden their requirements when they are satisfied with their applicant pool.the poor student gets to be a future doctor for a while till the reality of med school or residency competition catches up with them. You gotta be self-taught a lot of the time even with okay professors. It may No wonder why the attrition rate is so high, or why students turn to illicit or prescribed drugs to cope. There were certainly people who did not do well, and left unceremonsionuly from the island..maybe they are the ones that are frequenting forums and websites passionately describing these schools as the worst things ever. T&Cs apply. Its true. The curriculum? Since 1987, no more than six per cent of medical students in the U.S. each year have come from families with poverty-level incomes. But US Steps/hospitals will make IMGs jump through a lot of hoops additional requirements for not being a medical school in the US even though its the same exact books, anatomage, cadavers,etc. Preying on idealistic humanitarians is a sick business model. For profit and disgustingly greedy for money are two different things; I havent even gotten to the best part yet! What happened to primary prevention? Its equipped with a nice and big gym that is located in front of the schools beach. And FYI, my mommy and daddy have never foot any bills for me. Medicine is no longer a profession. The hotel that he is likely referring to is the original campus. My biggest concern for any Caribbean school is the ECFMG 2023 policy that would essentially be shutting down all access to the US. Its worth a shot. Not to mention the last 2 years gaining clinical experience was hell. Thank you so much. Odds are about even with the Florida lottery. Most schools will have a facebook group so if youre looking to get into one, join those groups and ask questions. I feel like I can do the most good from this position. Hey, Lee The cheating has gone through the roof and theyve taken the curve away. I really dont see the point of going to the Caribbean and going through all of that struggle and spending 250K to do it. So, if someone that is considering going to medical school overseas, here is real advice: 1. Youre getting a second chance to be a doctor. The stress of clicking in, finding a seat, and waiting in lines on a campus that cant accommodate this many people is a reason for the students who drop out in the first few weeks, which my school has statistics on and they know this will happen after years of practicing the purposeful overcrowding. You pay 10k for that, and are also a Slave. If you were surprised, Im not sure why because for our class, they literally had a mandatory lecture in Term 1 where we learned all about WMPG correlation to Step scores, and why it was important for us to do well in order to get a residency. 4. and because AUC has smaller class size, Federal Financial Aid availability, good housing, and NBME exam access for all subjects. in a Good suburb of Newark. I applied to Ross, AUC, AUA and Saba. They can change the grading layout the number of exams they plan to give a semester. So learn; and to be honest, if you have never been under high stress and want to be a physician; may be you should study abroad and learn some things that will help you mature and grow to develop abilities to deal with the unknown or unexpected. For students who are really struggling to get into medical schools at home, due to super competitive requirements, it could be a solid option. i just want to go to a school in which most if not all the faculty kind of care about the students success and teach well. If they need to cut down class size numbers, the heads of the departments are told to use a more difficult test bank by the Dean. they are very competitive of course. DID get it back but it was a Huge hassle. We have no shortage of doctors, only a shortage of residency residencys. A rest assured you will not last long as a purely patient advocate. How much does it cost for 7 years of medical school? of 10 points higher on the step than a US med grad for an equal position in the US residency match. Is the island life alot better then SABA and Ross? Please help someone. Inhumane and cruel organizations and human rights violations in medicine need to stop. As per Columbia University's "Vaccine-Related Policies and Guidelines", COVID-19 vaccination is mandatory for all affiliates who will be on . After about a month the class will be down to 900 or so. My parents made me register my car legally. Best thing is to know why you went there and enjoy what you can and what you are doing there. Its easier to get in, has a great residency match and USMLE pass rate and is still a fair bit cheaper than your average U.S. school. The ambition to dig deeper and understand more. It is my opinion that SJSM exploits most of the faculty by paying them less than theyd earn in the US. Instead I chose nursing and just enough non-nursing science classes to earn a BA in biology also. TO BECOME A FREAKIN DOCTOR, THAT IS WHY!!!!!!!!! You can do it!!! This is touching. Am currently doing housejob in Nigeria. I actually met one student who got a full tuition scholarship through this program. Could you please provide me with your contact or social media profiles. Sadly, medicine as we know it today, is a business from start to finish. The Honor society offers one-on-one tutoring for free. But I guess thats more reasonable than going to that one Phil MED school allowing US Student Loans and US MED/Caribbean Territory rates. (3) Some of the claims that are made in this post are just flat out absurd and factually incorrect. 3. This was probably due to my run-ins with the administration for being vocal about injustices we had faced. thing by the book. I am almost the only person that I know that has done both. Study Good ~ohnodoc~ Last edited by a moderator: Feb 1, 2021 Those who make the cut are then recommended to E.L.A.M. hi please, im from Nigeria and would like to get in touch with you about caribbean medical schools. I am 42 yrs old, started at AUC last year and I love it here. I share your vision and believe in your work. Compared to most U.S. med schools thats a fairly high rate (meaning more students leave without a degree), but for Caribbean schools, its fairly strong (Ross University is 41.7%). The recent 2019 sgu average step 1 score decreased from the years prior. Cry, laugh, get shocked, but get that MD if its your destiny. We often rotated in non-teaching hospitals, and were used as surrogate Interns! Besides that, the school has 20+ selectives that includes on campus selectives and international trips to shadow physicians in other countries, research opportunities on campus, as well as, research opportunities in other countries. I attended All Saints University of Medicine, St. Vincent and the Grenadines. An example of this is the pathology course. You will get discouraged and depressed sometimes. I would challenge you to speak with doctors in America now (brilliant doctors I may add) who attained their medical degrees from Nigeria and ask them what life as a medical student in Nigeria was like. The good thing is that you get a masters degree out of it. Now that Im at the end of my medical school, I can say Ive done pretty well. You sound like youve been contacted by the faculty of sgu and asked to write a counter piece my friend. All of the disappointments. We all have a place at the table. We also have visiting professors from the US medical schools that teach a good portion of our classes here, so most of the professors have not been all that bad. In the meantime, given I left that med school with no degree (came in right out of highschool), I continued my schooling in the US. To everyone else, my story is a bit complicated but there is truth in all the stories people shared, the negatives and positives. and take attendance for all the other times. Sounds like St. Georges University to me. The island has a reputation as a pirate island and is almost impossible to live on Saba unless you are part of the population benefitting from the corruption. to get it back. The lights have gone out. My last point will be this. Like a fellow doc from Berkely told me, the socialist goal is to get doctors off their ivory towers and everone should get the same reward regadless of their effort. For comparison, UCLA medical school has about 160 in each class. Chukwumah I will like to get in touch with you. However, never did get my license because I was unable to sit Part II of the USMLE before I graduated, because I lacked one more core. Other: a broad background in humanities, social sciences or physical sciences. Oh, thats rightby reading to us straight out of a review book; since we lack the ability to do that on our own. Some of that is being addressed at some levels, but not all. At $26,000 tuition per semester and the chance of financial aid for both U.S. and Canadian students, also means you shouldnt rule it out. They will never be the US. To finalize my comment, no, it is not the end of the world to attend a Caribbean school and I dont believe its fair to stereotype Caribbean schools. Everything is possible, if being a doctor is your destiny. Get out while you still can. In response to residency match rates: There were no laundry services, no ovens, and a shared floor bathroom. What he did not like was the attrition rate at SABA. I really appreciate your insights and candidness. My point is, most likely, I think everyone here is telling a true story. SGU employs professors who have taught at some very good universities. What you start with is what you end with. had paid hundreds of dollars for the Fianza bond but they tried to Attrition rate ~ 86% Its a VERY corrupt, hypocritical society. Develop an app be a match maker find a need, fill a need and you can go to the Caribbean and retire on your catamarran on your private beach. The quality of education is horrendous!! All of the debt I have incurred. Thank you. What year did you apply to US med schools? Comparison is one of those things that will always make it hard to deal with things that life throws at you. So. The physicians that make it through the system are excellent and have been through more abuse than US physicians but unfortunately, many of the ones who are roadblocked are also strong in their skills and knowledge base. Programs like St. Georges University can be equally as expensive, with a price of $62,000 per year in just educational fees. Whats not so good is all the student loan debt especially if you drop out. students, put it, A medical student in Cuba would have to actively resist the idea that they were agents of public health and social justice. Do not do not do not go to a foregien med school. So I say that to say this: I dont think the issue is so much with Caribbean schools themselves for a student who is able to make it to licensing because that road is not easy and not just anyone can do it. Saba University School of Medicine was founded in 1992 with one main mission: to establish an international alternative to U.S. and Canadian medical schools that . I read this with great interest as a specialist trained in Quebec 35 years ago. The truth about medical school is thisand please internalize this if you are just starting medical school or will be in the future. Will anything ever be done about that evil institution? That school is a very wicked and evil place: admit as many as you can with the intention of failing hundreds to balance the books. More surprisingly is this school has partnerships with hospital in New Jersey and New York that offer to cover half or full tuition to students eligible for the scholarship. My advice, like the author of the article, is to do something else for a bit. Check out this keynote and answer the 7 questions at the end then maybe we can talk. Are you aware of any colleges that offer medicine programs right after high school or the 12th grade as it is in India. 2. Thanks for reading! I got accepted into all 4. Talk is cheap. or foist horseshit on us such as: Winter My school gave me the opportunity to study medicine, something that US medical schools didnt do for me. If you want to be a surgeon you work for it, if you want to serve the underserved, you guessed it, YOU WORK FOR IT!! we DID get were non-teaching, in inner-city War zones. Saba University makes it possible for students to earn their degree in under 4 years, spending 20 months studying Basic Sciences on the campus in Saba, completing an 8-week research module and returning to the U.S. or Canada for 72 weeks of clinical rotations. Im a RN, BSN and in my late 40s. [4] I started my medical training in the Caribbean, with a class of 120 but by the end of the 4th year, roughly only 20 actually graduate. A business model that preys upon the hopes and dreams of our best and brightest compassionate young healers is one of the sickest things Ive ever witnessed. There are double standards in the way you will be treated in residency. What I cant do is stand by and say nothing while another incoming class with smiling faces comes through the doors of the school only to see them slowly fall apart like all the classes Ive seen before them. You are going to meet people that you dont agree with and people that you will love on the islands. But hey maybe after 4 years of graduation and being unemployed you will realize you should have quit and by then your parents will be begging you to move out of the garage. It not a well appreciated or respected field. Advice: know how you learn best before you hit the islands or you will fail. That means roughly 60% of the students were rejected. So, why are so many students failing or dropping out? I feel that no one who is truly motivated and belongs in the field of medicine can fail if they have such an attitude. Although the school was lacking in creature comfortsthe students slept in bunk beds; the hot water and electricity were unreliable; there was little access to the Internet or the phonePhillip powered through. God bless you! (4) Yes, IMGs from anywhere have to score higher on Step to get the same residency. Yet, school position is, they have more than the minimum seat requirement for institution to qualify as one. 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