On the other hand, Hrrem Sultan gave birth to another son named Selim in 1524, and the rivalry between two women became more intense than ever. She had a Kira who acted as her secretary and intermediary on several occasions, although the identity of the kira is uncertain (it may have been Strongilah[39] or Esther Handali[citation needed]). Selim II (r. 15661574) likely never held anything against Mahidevran personally. She was his mothers rival, not his. Selim II, as depicted in a m [46], In 2007, Muslims in Mariupol, a port city in Ukraine opened a mosque to honour Roxelana.[47]. I asked a simple question and you failed to answer because you cant. And what was her life like before she met Suleiman?For a long time, little was known about Mahidevran Sultan. In one of her letters, she wrote: Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan: "Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight. That's very funny!!! Mahidevran Sultan probably had a stillborn child or short-lived daughter somewhere between 1521 and 1524. She probably acted as the sultan's advisor, wrote diplomatic letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (r.15481572) and patronized major public works (including the Haseki Sultan Complex and the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse). He was a talented soldier from his childhood. [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. [11] After the wedding, the idea circulated that the sultan had limited his autonomy and was dominated and controlled by his wife. And with all this research you are only proving yourself wrong because NONE OF YOUR SOURCES say that M was a Muslim Convert, rather, they say, Mahidevran, daughter of Abdullah. Her greatest philanthropical work was the Great Waqf of AlQuds, a large soup kitchen in Jerusalem that fed the poor. Some sources say she moved to Topkap, not because of the fire, but as a result of her marriage to Suleiman. [17] She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Selim II, the new sultan after 1566, put her on a lavish salary. She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. The Ottoman archives and privy purse records prove that she was Mahidevran Hatun, regardless that fact that she was the mother of the crown prince or had been once a favorite of Suleiman. Page contents not supported in other languages. Not hesitating for a second thought, he offered his beautiful daughter, as a gift, to the young prince." If you are not convinced we can try to get this on reliable sources noticeboard. hurrem. After that, although Hurrem's successor Nurbanu Sultan and her successor Safiye Sultan exchanged letters with queens, there is no other example of a female sultan who personally contacted a king other than Hurrem Sultan. Yes, it was and the series shouldve put more emphasis on Valide Sultanas criticism of her behaviour. Hurrem and Mahidevran really did fight, but As far as I have researched, every Web verifying organization has approved of it. After the death of Suleiman's other sons and his ascension to the throne in 1520 she acquired the rank of mother of the Sultan's eldest son. Mahidevran's name ( Turkish pronunciation: [mahidevan], Persian: ) means "one who is always beautiful", "one whose beauty never fades" or "beauty of the times" in Persian. In a play entitled The Holy League, Titian appears on stage at the Venetian Senate, and stating that he has just come from visiting the Sultan, displays his painting of Sultana Rossa or Roxelana. Uzunarl, smail Hakk; Karal, Enver Ziya (1975). You did not saw that did you? WebHello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. She commissioned a bath, the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse, to serve the community of worshippers in the nearby Hagia Sophia. "LUCKYEYE GROUP MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES WITH RESPECT TO THIS WEB SITE OR ITS CONTENTS, WHICH ARE PROVIDED FOR USE "AS IS." Simply click 'close' in the top right corner to continue reading! Popular culture calls her that way because in some theatre plays she's erroneously addressed like that, just as any work of FICTION. Hatun is not a Title at all. [3] She entered the Imperial Harem, rose through the ranks and became the favourite of Sultan Suleiman. The change of titles was to differentiate a legal wife from a concubine/consort/unrecognized wife or however you want to call it. This article is literally the ONLY one in wikipedia to call a hatun a sultana. Hope you got my point. He was very intelligent and had a strong politic education. - Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Wow, it seems you desperately did some personal research, you have all the time in the world don't you? If he still insists, he can bring the source at the reliable sources noticeboard and ask for an opinion there. 'the Ruthenian one'; c. 1500 15 April 1558), also known as Hurrem Sultan (Turkish pronunciation:[hym sutan], Ottoman Turkish: , romanized:urrem Suln, Modern Turkish: Hrrem Sultan), was the chief consort and legal wife of the Ottoman sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. I already gave you all evidence, but you insist on calling her a sultana because you "assume" Birinci Kadin and Sultan mean the same: they are applied to concubine and legal wife accordingly and therefore don't mean the same. Timaru, 7910 1540. Please correct that. Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. Including those of John Freely. Magnificent century (Muhtesem Yuzy by I heart Duncan James. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], We see that Birinci Kadin is what a woman who has bore a first child; you're overlooking what I said: it was Hurrem who married legally Suleyman and broke the 200 hundred tradition, not Mahidevran; in any case, she can't be called a sultana. Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.0.179 (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], If the modifiers of this page can identify this reference, then please update. [6][7][8] Her native language was Ruthenian, the precursor to modern Ukrainian. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], A few sources does claim she was a wife. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. Learn more about merges. Mahidevran was: theoretically, the daughter of a hatun, a birinci kadin, but never a sultana: she didn't legally marry Suleyman. Despite Mahidevrans warnings, he stayed in close contact with the other princes. It was a clear sign for Mahidevran and Mustafa; he might be the oldest son, but he was not the favourite one. Yet they were called Sultana for being Sultan's Kadins (Wives) You have a very little knowledge you are only referring to a few (if not one) online source and claiming that was it. Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], --Phso2 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Hi again, sorry I noticed now you added "suggests she was a cariye, thus of non-notable family" I will have to remove it because the source only called her Cariye and did not specifically says that she was of non-notable family. This has to stop, no factual person will buy your theory. Let me repeat it; why didn't popular culture ever mentioned another Hatun ranked consort a Sultan? 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "Denying a deceased person of its possible title" you just put yourself in evidence here. WebAuthor has 325 answers and 6.9M answer views Oct 9. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Suleiman probably feared the reaction of the army. The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death, which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide", each with different legal implications. [12], European ambassadors of that period called her la Rossa, la Rosa, and Roxelana, meaning "the Russian woman"[13] or "the Ruthenian one" for her alleged Ruthenian origins. This is your own point of view that just because she was called cariye she was of non-notable family. Through her husband, she played an active role in affairs of the state. Phone: Hurrem and Mahidevran had borne Suleiman six ehzades (Ottoman princes), four of whom survived past the 1550s: Mehmed, Selim, Bayezid, and Cihangir. Thank you. Everyone has a right to put their opinion and I just put mine. Prominent Ukrainian writer Pavlo Zahrebelny describes Hurrem as "an intelligent, kind, understanding, openhearted, candid, talented, generous, emotional and grateful woman who cares about the soul rather than the body; who is not carried away with ordinary glimmers such as money, prone to science and art; in short, a perfect woman."[43]. [34], Although the stories about Hurrem's role in executions of Ibrahim, Mustafa, and Kara Ahmed are very popular, actually none of them are based on first-hand sources. It seems you consider a Talk page as a comment war section, well it's not. The leading cause of death in subjects with preserved EF was noncardiovascular disease (49%) versus coronary heart disease (43%) for subjects with reduced EF. p. 401. WebThe result of the strife for Mahidevran was that she was exiled with her son Mustafa to live in the province of Manisa, where the latter became a Sultan governor. In a letter to Philip II of Spain, the painter claims to have sent him a copy of this "Queen of Persia" in 1552. At 5 years, survival was 45% (95% CI, 43% to 49%), and 43% of the deaths were noncardiovascular. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. Also, the rules are clear: no woman other than the sultan's own female blood relatives and main wife use the title of sultan [7]. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. The use of "sultan" for a consort came with the title Haseki, because the full title was Haseki Sultan (Devletl smetlu (given name) Haseki Sultn Aliyyet'-n Hazretleri)that is why. Mustafa had a great sympathy towards his half-brothers, especially to Beyazt and Cihangir (the youngest ones). Mahidevran and Mustafa lost one more time, now Selim (the second son of Hrrem) became the governor of the Manisa. As we can clearly see from your contribution list. [1] The name Abdullah may be used as a generic patronymic (father's name) for slave converts but this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty. Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The other wives, also not legally married to the sultan, were called "kadin" or "hatun". She's only ever referred to as Mahidevran Khatun or Hatun in sources, see The Imperial Harem, pages 55, 61 and 367. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2: Two of your sources are at stake (Colin Iber's and Peirce's), please read page 136 of Colin's book, this gives definition of Slave in general term, so calling any member of Sultan's family a slave does not necessarily makes them a slave by origin, and P simply used a text from Alberi, P herself only called M a concubine. [16]:131 After Hrrem resided at Topkap it became known as the New Palace (saray- jedid).[28]. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. However, if you feel otherwise, you could always simply revert the changes or add the "unreliable source" template with reasoning. [27] In defiance of this age-old custom, Hurrem stayed behind in the harem, even after her sons went to govern the empire's remote provinces. The proportion of cardiovascular deaths decreased from 69% in 19791984 to Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. I got this text from this reference if anyone have an actual book name to cite then please update. If, however, you can get an admin to permanently block the page from any further editing you may do so. Leslie P. Peirce has written that it may have been either Anastasia, or Aleksandra Lisowska. And for your information, she wasn't the mother, sister, aunt or main wife of the sultan: she wasn't a sultana, even when a theatre play calls her that. Mihrimah Sultan was born in 1522 as the daughter of Sultan Soliman the Magnificent and Roxelana. I began this website in 2013 because I wanted to share these women's amazing stories. Burial. 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. If interviews can be cited in Wikipedia for every living or dead person, why there is so much debate in this one? It is clear you don't have the intention to make this wikipedia page historically accurate. Also, why does these History Books (not popular history books) referred her as Sultan? Among her first foundations were a mosque, two Quranic schools (madrassa), a fountain, and a women's hospital near the women's slave market (Avret Pazary) in Istanbul (Haseki Sultan Complex). ((reftalk))Reply[reply], There is no consensus to add the interview of an "alleged descendant" of Mahidevran to this article. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her firstson (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. No title is suitable for this page, niether Sultan nor Hatun since users can't agree. Categories: 1500 births. In attempting to avoid the execution of her sons, Hurrem used her influence to eliminate those who supported Mustafa's accession to the throne. Glbahar (given name) 1500s births. These princesses, were destined to be gifted (in other words sold) by their ruling fathers to their higher or equivalent ranking rulers, kings and grand Vazirs (ministers). WebMahidevranwas born on January 01, 1500 (died on February 03, 1581, she was 81 years old) in Bosporus. Please see meaning of "Birinci Kadin" in whatever Ottoman Dictionary you like. Before Hrrem Sultan, every consort was called hatun. During those decades the Venetian Republic was following the Ottoman dynastic news closely due to their close links with the empire. Peirce, Leslie (2017). If you treat Ottoman history as merely entertainment, you're not doing your job to inform people. Hope you understand. Born in Ruthenia (then an eastern region of the Kingdom of Poland, now Rohatyn, Ukraine) to a Ruthenian Orthodox priest, Hurrem was captured by Crimean Tatars during a slave raid and eventually taken to Istanbul, the Ottoman capital. Hurrem's influence in state affairs not only made her one of the most influential women, but also a controversial figure in Ottoman history, especially in her rivalry with Mahidevran and her son ehzade Mustafa, and the grand viziers Pargal Ibrahim Pasha and Kara Ahmed Pasha. Moreover, he was famous for his generosity and fair decisions. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Your yet another personal comment attack proves that it's not the History you're worried about but your own opinion. Give me one name of the mother of potential heir to the throne (like mustafa) who wasn't called Sultana after 1500. We can ask her! A short woman wearing expensive clothes and jewelry appears Hurrem: Agha? Where are we? (She looks closer at my face, noticing the Why popular theatre plays describe her character despite strangers of all types being forbidden into the harem? 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I beg to differ, in many books (arts, literature whatever you may call) she has been known as Sultana. The precise year that she entered the harem is unknown, but scholars believe that she became Suleiman's concubine around the time he became sultan in 1520. Although Sultans didn't used to lawfully wed their wives, Birinci Kadins were considered and treated just like lawfully wedded wives. Reply[reply], Sort it out. She was the chief consort of Suleiman before the appearance of Hrrem Sultan. Best R. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2, your provided sources does not particularly points at M's father. Friday Social Amazing volunteers host Christmas dinner. An extra piece of information, in 15th century, the Tatars, Caucasians, Albanians, and Russians were all considered part of ""Circassia"". I oppose changing the title from Sultan to Hatun. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Crown. 113.203.158.58 (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I request a change of title, to revert it back to its original name (which was only "Mahidevran") and maintain its protected status. In this article the sentence about Mahidevran's origin had been changed several times. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. Hurrem gave birth to her first son Mehmed in 1521 (who died in 1543) and then to four more sons, destroying Mahidevran's status as the mother of the sultan's only son. [i][11], Shaykh Qutb al-Din al-Nahrawali, a Meccan religious figure, who visited Istanbul in late 1557, noted in his memoirs that Hurrem Sultan was of Ruthenian origin. We cannot overlook them. And Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of Suleiman,like Gulfem or Fulane.After the death of the sons of other consorts by diseases She was the mother of only son of Suleiman the magnificent and according to the ottoman tradition sje was Suleiman's Bas kadin,which was the most powerful position for a Sultan's consort before creation and after abolition of the title Haseki Sultan.As Leslie P. Pierce said that during Suleiman's reign the title for Queen mother, Princesses and Sultan's chief consort changed to Sultan from Hatun.And other ordinary consorts of Sultan held the title Hatun.And Mahidevran Sultan was favorite and chief consort of Suleiman before hurrem,and she was the mother of crown prince of the ottoman empire. [25] Also, in Ottoman society, mothers played more influential roles in their sons' educations and in guiding their careers. [40] Her mausoleum is adjacent to Suleiman's, a separate and more somber domed structure, at the courtyard of the Sleymaniye Mosque. The source is "BBC your paintings". Memorial ID. What matters is, as Nurbanu wasn't a legal wife, she was still a kadin; she is mentioned as a sultana in wikipedia because she became Valide Sultan. Hurrem Sultan makes plans to get rid of ehzade Mustafa and his mother Mahidevran Sultan as she sees them as a threat for the throne. Therefore, Suleiman had to announce that he sent Mustafa to the Persian border for safety reasons. Again, it's just my opinion I still oppose the change of title. New Zealand Something that interests me is how a popular notion can sound very appealing. First of all, many claims as to what happened in the harem are comple Life in a Sultans harem was not glamorous and it certainly wasnt about love. And you Sir, just decided to crash in and make an edit. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.138.199 (talk) 06:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], I removed a painting of Rosne Pranvere from the article. It is explicitly explained that the title "Haseki Sultan" was created when Hrrem married Suleyman. Alex2006 (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Keivan.f I haven't searched about mahidvran but happen to have read about her. Interviews of "alleged descendant" are not reliable sources for an history article, and the burden of demonstrating their reliability falls upon the editor who want to introduce them, as is written at WP:INTERVIEWS. Nurbanus mosque was the first constructed in the capital by a woman of the dynasty to have two minarets. There was a seal on the back of the letter. -Le temps viendra (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Clear this matter Le temps Viendra Khondoker Jobair (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mentioned her survival possible after Hurrem a death is not sound real. Hurrem and Mahidevran were 2 main consorts. If "Haseki Sultan" was created solely for Hurrem when they legally married, breaking a 200 hundred tradition of not marrying, why should anyone assume that other concubines of the sultan would start using "sultan" if they didn't marry him? Hurrem later managed to become the Haseki Sultan or "favorite concubine" of the Ottoman imperial harem. Hurrem was allowed to give birth to more than one son which was a stark violation of the old imperial harem principle, "one concubine mother one son," which was designed to prevent both the mother's influence over the sultan and the feuds of the blood brothers for the throne. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. A portrait of Roxelana in the British Royal Collection, c. 160070, A painting of Hurrem Sultan by a follower of Titian, 16th century, Roxelana and Sleyman the Magnificent by the German baroque painter Anton Hickel, (1780), Engraving by Johann Theodor de Bry, (1596), 16th century oil on wood painting of Hurrem Sultan, Tribute to Roxelana on 1997 Ukrainian postage stamp, Serlevha (illuminated frontispiece) from the Endowment Charter (Waqfiyya) pertaining to the architectural complex commissioned by Hrrem Sultan in the Aksaray district of Istanbul. Although he never visited Istanbul, he either imagined her appearance or had a sketch of her. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mahidevran Hatun (174192522)? [9], During the reign of Selim I,[10] which means some time between 1512 and 1520, Crimean Tatars kidnapped her during one of their CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe. In the end, they fought and Mahidevran beat Hrrem or Hrrem let herself be beaten. WebAccording to some reports he died of natural causes, while others say that Mahidevran, the mother of Sehzade Mustafa gave the order to kill Sehzade Mehmet because he could take Since the empire lacked, until the reign of Ahmed I (16031617), any formal means of nominating a successor, successions usually involved the death of competing princes in order to avert civil unrest and rebellions. If you must, then make the title read as "Mahidevran" only. [21], Around 1533/1534 (the exact date is unknown),[11] Suleiman married Hurrem in a magnificent formal ceremony. "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. He was accused of collaborating with the Shah and was executed in the battle camp. Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. And only after the release of the series Magnificent Century, where she was one of the main characters, various information about this sultana began to appear on the Internet.As Mahidevran's contemporaries wrote, in life she was a black-haired beauty with brown eyes. According to a source he was executed that very year on charges of planning to dethrone his father; his guilt for the treason of which he was accused remains neither proven nor disproven. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. [45] She has inspired paintings, musical works (including Joseph Haydn's Symphony No. She was the first imperial consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Actually you are the one making subjective propositions here. All other depictions of Hurrem, starting with comments by sixteenth and seventeenth-century Ottoman historians as well as by European diplomats, observers, and travellers, are highly derivative and speculative in nature. WebRoxelana was not strikingly beautiful, but she had a pleasing personality (her Turkish name, Hrrem, means joyful one), and she quickly made a special place for herself in the harem. Whatever sources we can find, half of them supports the Hatun theory, the other half supports Sultan theory. Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. Mahidevran had only one son, it was Mustafa. But at the end of the day, that's all irrelevant. [2][3][4][5] She has been known by this title since Nurbano's time. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. According to the same tradition, Mahidevran had to leave Istanbul to accompany her son. However, I added ""the most convincing theory"" was wrong I admit, therefore, I have changed that. ehzade Mahmud (November 1512 - 29 October 1521); This page was last edited on 21 March 2021, at 10:11. In early modern Spain, she appears or is alluded to in works by Quevedo and other writers as well as in a number of plays by Lope de Vega. I am sorry but Facts do NOT leave room for doubts. Trk Tarih Kurumu Basmevi. In 1543, right after the sudden death of Prince Mehmet, the womens war started upagain. [8] However it is clear,that Mahidevran Sultan also carried the title Sultan as she was the first main chief consort (Ba Kadn). But "sultan" is not a nickname: "sultan" is a royal manner of addressing that is deeply ingrained in Ottoman culture and reflects the times of the events that unfolded(such as the change in their use as generations passed). It was the first complex constructed in Istanbul by Mimar Sinan in his new position as the chief imperial architect. She wrote, "My dearest Sultan! commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy. Concubine by definition is not a slave. [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. It turned out to be a certain Said Perizad Temryukoglu. Interviews are constantly being used in Wikipedia for every notable person, why neglect this one? And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. After the death of Suleiman's mother Hafsa Sultan in 1534, Hurrem's influence in the palace increased, and she took over the ruling of the Harem. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) However, some argue that she has Albanian roots. I'll sing your praises always In 1520 after the death of Selim I, Suleiman moved to Istanbul to succeed his father, his court followed him afew weeks later. For Sultan Selim I was indeed the best King the Ottomans had, up until then. (besides, you don't mention Turkish among the languages you speak)--Phso2 (talk) 10:22, 25 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Word Birinci Kadin means "First Lady" as in (respected) wife of reigning king, not "First Woman". Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) She was not a sultana, she was a Birinci Kadin , therefore if any "royal title" should be used to her name it should be that; this is highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. Whether this phrase refers to a warm friendship between the Polish King and Ottoman Haseki, or whether it suggests a closer relation, the degree of their intimacy definitely points to a special link between the two states at the time. I dont see why someone should expand these articles as seen from the title and the heated discussion on chief consort below that even sources are not enough and I just cant do such long discussions. Hurrem Haseki Sultan, or Roxelana, is well-known both in modern Turkey and in the West, and is the subject of many artistic works. Simply put, a natural death is one that occurs due to an internal factor that causes the body to shut down, such as cancer, heart disease or diabetes. Not interested? WebAnd Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of Bas kadin literally means "Head Woman", and if this "head woman" status didn't exist at that time then why she has been referred as "Ba kadin" or Birinci kadin by numerous books? [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. Little Prince Mehmet (named after Mustafas half-brother) wasexecuted at just six years old. During the start of 15th century, the Ottoman dynasty was taking over the territories of its rivals more rapidly than before. Mahidevran was his most trustable advisor as well as chief of his harem. Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. After Valide Sultan's death, Mahidevran Sultan takes the lead of the harem. For this reason, she has become a controversial figure in Ottoman history subject to allegations of plotting against and manipulating her political rivals. That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. For the record, you still failed to answer my question, rephrasing; why in some theatre plays she's the only Hatun ranked consort who is erroneously addressed like Sultana? Marvin died of natural causes after reportedly being hospitalized after experiencing chest pains On 13th March 2021, Marvin Hagler unexpectedly passed away in his New Hampshire home. Try google, or any other Deep Web search engine, you can see dozens if not hundreds of books, journals and non-commercial websites that refferred to Mahidevran as Kadin or Sultan (sources dating back to 17th century - I say this because you probably would say they have been written by Turkish soap opera's fans) whereas Gulfem, Fulane, and Gulnisa, all consorts are mentioned by title Hatun. Was created when Hrrem married Suleyman [ 28 ] mother of potential heir to the young.... And had a stillborn child or short-lived daughter somewhere between 1521 and 1524 'm. If interviews can be cited in wikipedia to call a Hatun a Sultana and... It is clear you do n't have the intention to make this wikipedia page historically accurate safety.! 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