How we study and understand these relationships, and their separate parts, and the enjoyment of the results of that understanding, are very important, fulfilling, stretching etc. How do you know these are HIS words? And both stories end with a sacrifice to a deity. I mean, youre already done this with respect to Christian Mystics. Enns's methodology seems to be in direct conflict with an understanding of Scripture that affirms one divine author (and therefore one truth), and with a hermeneutic that, for the sake of knowing God and his gospel better, seeks to bring the entire relevant teaching of Scripture to bear on a particular passage.36 This is the reason, it seems . 'The board voted 18-9 to suspend Enns, an Old Testament professor whose book created controversy on how to interpret the . His Attributes cannot be fixed, limited or defined. As claimed, the Incarnation passed through our material and human existence. When people insist that the Apostles Creed is where you have to start, its no wonder that you wind up with some people who dont believe in God and other people who dont believe in the World. The universe is a really big place. . I'm attaching my 6 page summary of Peter Enns' new book, Genesis for Normal People: Enns on Genesis.doc (55.5 KB) Dr. Enns attempts to simply explain for average Christians how many scholars read Genesis. But parents in talking with each other can often immediately grasp when a fellow parent reveals that they share that same experience. . ), but its also important in a much deeper way. We know by comparing our own, internal, subjective experiences of sight that this is a largely reliable sense. Did you see the same thing I saw? Does it mean that same thing to you?. . I do not think the gospel stands on whether we can read Paul's Adam in the . Our Western universe has given rise to marvelous things (as you mentioned) but it has blinded us to other dimensions of the soul that reveal a much larger reality outside of our ability to reason or carry out prescribed functions. I get your post. Open your eyes to what there is to see, or let Jesus open them for you (Mark 8, by daubing mud) and I theres not that much problem. We dont know how to break down the ideologies of our false identities or how to welcome others with conflicting ideologies or identities. Personally, I talk to God, make intercession, and he orchestrates reality beyond the sphere of my influence or capability to manipulate the results. Every compound elements etc possesses shape and colour that attracts the senses. Scientists tend to understand everything through the lens of our basic five senses which reside in our body and soul. darkness, a vulnerable faith, and the normal Christian life, Spirituality and the Awakening Self: The Sacred Journey of Transformation, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/08/christians-or-non-christians-who-suffer.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2016/01/gods-mixed-messages-youth-pastor-killed.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/03/on-recovering-from-alcoholism-drug.html, http://infidels.org/library/modern/ed_babinski/experience.html, http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/01/leaving-ministry-left-ministry-polls.html, http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cruz-any-president-who-doesnt-begin-every-day-his-knees-isnt-fit-be-commander-chief-nation, http://www.al-islam.org/tradition-myrobalan-fruit-hadith-al-halila-imam-jafar-al-sadiq/hadith. He was after all, our first RC President. Many people arrive at different conclusions (that is fine) and see things differently doubt is a complex subject that will not fully be flushed out in this conversation. For me, I often think about thinking in this context more than either a historically analytical school or even Continental. This emphasis on experience is important at a simple, direct level (participating in corporate worship, daily prayer, seeing/hearing God in others, etc. I count it a great privilege to help students keep their horizons in front of them and come to know God better on their life-journey. http://www.al-islam.org/tradition-myrobalan-fruit-hadith-al-halila-imam-jafar-al-sadiq/hadith. How have we regressed so far in 56 years? Instead it looks like people have a wide variety of reality tunnels and interpretations. I tend to experience *both* God and people in the manner described. Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Reason and sagacity cannot visualise Him. Im pretty sure it looks like what we are doing on here (if our intentions are purely to seek and accept). There are surely myriad of ways of knowing God In the provIsIons that are avaIlable to each one of us, As one is riding the Starlight Express propelled through time experiencing mAturity, old Age And deAth. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. Tweets at @peteenns. Faced with the incoherence of a fundamentalist/evangelical reaction to modernity, I have no problem accepting Pascals Wager and embracing your mystical/existential explanation. No- before the 70s it was safe for white little girls and boys to walk down the street correct yourself- thee was never a time in any country where there was absolute peace- even in the Bible. He is the podcast host of The Bible for Normal People. "what Genesis says about Adam and the consequences of his actions does not seem to line up with the universal picture that Paul paints in Romans and 1 Corinthians []. Polls, Statistics and other Data Furthermore, I believe it just to consider that biases are adaptive. But I also think youre using the language of evidence in a very stale, limited manner. Instead only their book features inspired writingsthe truth and stories necessary to believe, and of course conservatives, moderates and liberals differ concerning what that book really means or what the most essential and necessary lessons are. Pete is a well-known bible scholar and is the Abram S. Clemens professor of Bible Studies at Eastern University in Pennsylvania. Enns' view is that the Bible is essentially a human collection (s) of different stories (by different authors/editors) that have a common reference to "God". By Edward Wagenknecht, There is also the Alan Watts definition of the difference between having beliefs and having faith. In addition, he late dates the Exodus in the mid . And it is that faith that is pleasing to God, and further that faith is a gift from God in the first place. 2020 Peter Danner. Why do you write books attempting to make more conservative Evangelicals rethink their perspective on the authority of the Bible? " The Bible - from back to front - is the story of God told from the limited point of view of real people living at a certain place and time. Or read my own my testimony where I mention the effect that finding and fully acknowledging goodness in people of all beliefs or none had on me. There is a type of love that can only be experience I think by a parent for their child. Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar who teaches and writes on Old Testament, New Testament, Second Temple Judaism, and the intersection of biblical studies and contemporary Christian faith. Interesting title. I think you are conflating your own journey with mine. I find cultural differences to be fascinating and rich sources in discovering what is possible within the human experience. Perhaps the thing that could hold rationality, mysticism, intuition, etc all together is love- as a way of knowing. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. Many miss it here because they want to be in control of any such relationship. Are they indeed properly basic?. And the one thing that every single wisdom tradition or religious group teaches is the way. Some people really like what I say. And even ones blindness to this And lAck of understanding the necessity of grAtitude for thAt Is not a barricade to the reality of the creator of ones flesh & spirit. The other day he wrote a post that he entitled Why I Don't Believe in God Anymore. If there is still to be a link to truth there at all. Most people seem to have never seen or heard a literal voice of God like Abraham or Noah allegedly received. We go crazy in solitary confinement, when stranded on an island, when lost in the wilderness solo. 800 spiritually empty words. apprehension uncluttered by thought Yet since these experiences come across as transcendent many put a higher truth value on them than anything else in life. Some come by more rational means, others emotional, others mystical, Who am I, or you, to say any one way is the right way. Thanks Pete! It certainly seems that way as we compare the experiences of people across faiths. Slow chuckle. Adam's name appears first in Genesis 1 with a collective sense, as "mankind"; subsequently in Genesis 2-3 it carries the definite article ha, equivalent to English "the", indicating that this is "the man". I think the sooner the Church heals the Great Schism and returns to the even the faith of Jesus certainly before Constantine and possibly before Paul, the better she will be on a cosmic mission. Were two thousand years in. You presume too much Ed. It is based on direct and personal encounter. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Beitr-ge zum internationalen Symposium vom 27. bis 29. This happens not in our mind, but in our spirit. The Christian scriptures are clear that we can indeed experience God if we respond to Him when He calls us. Combining sophisticated quantitative analysis and compelling case studies, Hijacking the Agenda sets a new standard for research on inequality and American democracyand sounds a loud warning that all scholars and citizens should hear." JACOB HACKER, Stanley Resor Professor of Political Science, Yale University Incarceration Nation Bravo for that! It may be a way of knowing, but not necessarily yielding as many as true things as possible and as few as false things as possible. Which I think is the case, but I dont want to speak for Ed. And it would be wise to recognize that I think. But what I cannot comprehend is that after two thousand years, these loftiest of other-way-of-knowing-related claims have produced only some good. People who can conceive N concepts of God seem more adapt at considering the one concept of God of the person who can conceive one concept of God than people who can conceive one concept of God making sense of the N concepts of God of the others schema. My point is a rather modest one: the question of Gods existence is not settledone way or the otheron the basis of the kind of evidence-based knowledge that modern western culture (rightly) embraces to help us explain many, many things around us. I think the answer is bringing up the conversations more and trying to find what we have in common with each other. James KA Smiths Desiring the Kingdom. And it is worth noting that my list is subjective too. wouldnt it be more appropriate to say that its possibly an I witness account..the sin of certainty. In Roman Catholicism, Peter is seen as the first vicar of the church and so on. What of our spiritual experiences then? Edward, you assume that people cant hold doubt while maintaining a vibrant Christian faith that is simply not true. 1. But you can deny that my experience reflects actual motion in reality. Nor does it mean we cannot say anything objective about them. Incarceration Nation Ed, these posts are certainly charging you up. And now my 800 words are up. But what is your source of the claim that God prefers paradox and mystery? One final question. straight into the night our hearts were flung THIS IS CANCELLED: His main public presentation will be Saturday, February 15, at 8 p.m. in Sydnor Performance Hall, Schewel Hall, University of Lynchburg, drawing from . One, what does God mean? Take sight perception as an example. Why? Most Evangelicals find themselves on that path when their evidence takes a beating and they retreat to the world of mystery. But in essence our Christian hope is a trust that God will in fact be good to his word (which is trust now verifying the identity of God through science observation seems impossible but there are many things, and I say many things we cannot fully grasp by using human studies, judgments, experimentation, etc). They explore the potential behind reading the Bible creatively, the dangers of our modernist sense of truth, and the growing desire for . But it takes the work of the Spirit of God in ones life to actually believe and rely upon these evidences. All, or none, of the above?). But if you are after people of all religions, denominations, sects and cults saying, We dont really know, but why change because this seems to be working alright? Fine. In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me. On the contrary, I have never been disappointed by God. I realize that there is a long and rich history of discussion over difficult philosophical issues concerning the existence of God. The question Is God real? is equal to the question Is magic real?. The human mind cannot think alone. Youve concisely and clearly explained the way I understand my faith and conviction in the existence of God. Proud men who reject His call are incredibly stupid and foolish beyond measure. Were two thousand years in. Let us have both a precision of mind and openness of heart in dialoging on these matters. You never know, He might answer you in a marvelous and loving way. Doesnt everyone including yourself feel an urge to respond given an open forum and divergent points of view? You can hold your views and that is simply fine (I respect them) but just because you cannot see the reasons for people maintaining a doubting christian faith does not mean you are right and everyone else should take a step further and doubt the whole thing That is an over simplification of the complexity of the christian faith. Though I do see you headed in the general direction of Frank Schaeffer author of the recent book, Why I am an atheist who still believes in God. Or even what the cosmos is? Im not certain as to where youre taking your evolutionary train of thought. So thats where I am at this stage of my journey on the whole God thing. It sounds like you are on that path. Thanks for this post. This sort of knowing is beyond reason, but it is not irrational. Its generally NOT considered trustworthy; if it was then Bigfoot and alien abductions would be accepted beyond the fringe as accurate descriptions of reality/history. The rule that clarity is the standard of truth subsequently achieved dominance in the Enlightenment (Bavinck, Reformed Dogmatics, 1 vol edition, 486). He likes to tell stories about the messy Bible and is the author of The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. There can be various degrees of certainty, of course. Well that seems to me to be more of a way of guessing then? This wont be solved in a blog post, but heres basically where I am with all this believing in God businessin under 800 words. Read Dr. Enns full CV, B.S. Pete Enns critiques John Piper's recent remarks about the Jewish conquest of Canaan in the Old Testament. What do you think of people like George Mller? Peter Enns is Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania. With the exact same merit. And if you dont fit into the system? IMHO knowing God is as relevant as your next breath, I mean, who gave you that breath? And make sure you bring your oil along with your lamps as the bridegroom is a long time in coming yet always arrives soon. R'eyes via Compfight Peter Enns is the master at creating blog titles that are both clever and provocative. Who said God is a HE? I know others mileage may vary. And I learned about the history of all these relatively young fundamentalist Christian colleges founded in the 1920s like WTS, during the fndamentalist-modernist controversy. Evidence: The heavens declare the glory of God. Twelve years later, Old Testament scholar Peter Enns has confirmed my suspicions, . Every disciple of the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who draws out from their storage room things both old and new. Thanks for this insight. Here in this comment thread, we havent really talked about the latter. 298 . What does is look like to seek God? How could God (if He does exist) reject anyone who was honestly searching? The more I learn about the cosmos and humanitys journey of understanding it, the more the term evidence seems to be an oxymoron. D. Modl, Archologie zwischen Mur und . The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible does and doesn't say about human origins Jonathan Jong 2012, Theology and Science Abstract In this review, I summarize and critically evaluate Peter Enns's claim that evangelicals ought not read Genesis 13 literally. He is also co-founder and chief . His research and teaching focus on public opinion and political representation, mass incarceration and the legal system, and data science. Treasures Old and NewSunday, December 30, 2018. The good news is that those who humble themselves and say yes when He calls do experience Him in an undeniable complete way. However, today, philosophers who reject Cartesian or Substance Dualism acknowledge that subjective states like color, pain, and thoughts are objectively real using empirical tools. ), having that preverbal felt sense of wonder, well-being & delight, sitting in the little Cave of flesh of oneself, hearing the birds twittering in spring sunshine for the first time, the thrill of having learned ones ABCs and the letters becoming words & the words becoming sentences when one is 6 years old, the gift and thrill of ones sexuality(Intense pleasure!) What gives? The only reason I could see us being worried about being wrong about a certain path/religion/idea/concept would be because God (our Creator) might reject us if we chose the wrong path. You can experience a spiritual longing, connectedness, peace, transformation, serenity, boundless compassion, and so on. Mitchel Modine. Also, your point about eyewitness testimony is inaccurate. Hi, Reddit! The western way of knowing privileges the observation and analysis/testingofexternal evidence by knowledgable, experienced, and educated people who make arguments and defend them. Foreign Professionals in Babylon: Evidence from the Archive in the Palace of Nebuchadnezzar II Neo-Assyrian Texts from Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon: A Preliminary Report Cities and urban landscapes in the Ancient Near East and Egypt with special focus on the city of Babylon - with Paul Sinclair, Irmgard . It is no more Western and modern than the Greek-named constellations are ancient and Greek or the Arabic-named stars are Medieval and Arab. ? While others can ask the question and seem to do so with little reason to give thought to which God. Here might be some: Healing, forgiveness, graciousness, redemption, justice, protection, universality. Whatever the proper loci are, watch out. But in the formerit seemssome individuals cannot ask the does God exist? question without deeply wondering about which God?? Good point. I think that if the objective is to free people from reifying and trusting their own beliefs rather than trusting the living God, invoking the word sin frequently, which is an evangelical habit, is counterproductive. Interesting Beau, thanks. I dont think God would. On what basis is God still an option for you?. To me it seems, the more beliefs correspond to reality, the better the organism is adapted to survive and reproduce. Given all this and more, my personal choice is simply to continue to acknowledge Gods blessings upon my life and therefore acknowledge God. That is a blessing from God. and Ph.D. Harvard University I think if Christianity, as a whole, doesnt soon reconcile itself among its adherents and with its founders teachings, it will soon (if not already there) be down an irreversible trajectory of being part of the problem rather than part of the solution in the inevitable redemption of the cosmos. If you ask your typical Tibettan Buddhist monk, deeply committed to this same type of contemplative knowing, to describe their experience they will articulate something akin to everything you describe. Previously he was a Senior Fellow of . Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. So 2 Peter was written by Peter.how sure are you on that? Now one can doubt that the man, Peter ever lived, but there are extra-biblical references to him as being the head of the church. Like someone is running for political office. My personal thought is that 11 Peter is one of the later books of the NT; likely written circa 125-150 AD. Id take the liberty of summarizing that your belief in God, to the extent you do, is based on faith, not fact. . I have asked many people who say that they dont believe, what evidence would be sufficient for them to believe that God exists, and I think the opposite, what evidence would be sufficient to convince me that God does not exist Then once that person starts walking with God God (should) will reveal the truth to them. I think the Mystics have something important to say. Peter Enns Quotes. Pete Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is the Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, Pennsylvania, and co-host of The Bible for Normal People podcast. This implies that Joker3857 believes that one cannot be a christian if they think the bible to have errors. 610-341-5800. including the high rate of depression and dropping out among pastors (sure theres always plenty to take their place but look at the turnover! Pseudo-Solomon and His Scripture: Biblical Interpretation in the Wisdom of Solomon,, The Contribution of Ecclesiastes to Biblical Theology,. just try it i bet you gain their trust better. In fact, presuming that evidence-based knowledge is the only sure way of knowing anythingworth knowing lies behind both the angst and the sense of certainty many feel about Gods existence or non-existence. Eye-witness accounts on Mount Sinai, the Mount of transfiguration, the road to Damascus and on and on. Perhaps its ones urge for drinking mothers milk when one is first born (who gave you a mother? In this context, for practical reasons, some times its time to stop thinking and to take action based upon the best information and limited brains computational power and time available. None can fully understand or explain His Being however hard he my try. In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Daniel Kirk joins Pete and Jared to explain the major themes in the book of Romans, why the Romans Road view of salvation is insufficient, and how a focus on God's righteousness through Jesus Christ shaped Paul's vision of harmony between Jews and Gentiles. attestations that Lincoln composed the Gettysburg Address. What should be the impact? Im more so now in my life in the former group of people. If I have the experience of perceiving spiraling motion when looking upon a static optical illusion, you cannot deny that I have the experience of perceiving motion. And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. It is not when I am going to meet him, but when I am just turning away and leaving him alone, that I discover that God is. This is perhaps another way to look at the sin of certainty. depth I think the proper locus of religious conviction can help one find meaning in a religion better than help one find a religion. ), In chapter 5 Learning from the Christian Mystics Benner discusses a knowledge of God that is transrational and contemplative.. Youre closer than you think. Many dont understand that the contentions among faiths are fought (and will be won in the end) not on the grounds of being right, but on the grounds of making the world right. Maybe more so than that of our sense perception of sight? Praying is not the same as imposing a religion on others. immediacy. [pp. I am committed to encouraging young Christian men and women to explore their faith by engaging Scripture, and in so doing make their faith their own and mature as followers of Christ. Some people really hate what I say--and I've lost a couple of jobs because of my views. I only presume that peoples experiences of God are a mixed bag that lay along a very wide spectrum. Thankfully it is much less today. who made you need milk? The Spirit? Sorry, curious. But if he gets a response in morse, he doesnt need to empirically see whats on the other side to begin the process of knowing the other side. The Bible (NT and OT) both contain stories of humans having doubt while also trusting God (Elijah, Peter, Thomas, hell, all of them for that matter). Differing, I believe there are grounds for excluding ones own or other faiths. Adam and Eve are the Bible's first man and first woman. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. The universal and self-evident problem of death 2: The universal . The Christian trusts God even when things do not always make sense this tensions exists in the Christian message and story (but it exists in everyones story) the four Gospels are not shy in displaying this reality. You are presuming that I am naive about other religions. For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. Show Notes This episode was . However, as my 5th grade social studies book (circa ~1958) commented on Islam, Muslims converted North Africa at the edge of the sword. JFK probably did not comment much on his Catholicism because at that time there remained a significant amount of anti-Catholic bigotry in our country. Now, whether this evidence is good evidence or not. God means many different things to people. Pete: I much prefer your brand of Christianity to others, and the world would be a better place if more people thought like you. It does though offer means to consider qualitative differences. even if our lack of understanding gives us a sense that our existence is meaningless and that, if one could, one would not choose existence. They long to know Gods love andthereby to be filled with the very fullness of God[Ephesians 3:17-19]. A Review by Norman Geisler of Peter Enns's, Inspiration and Incarnation: Evangelicals and the Problem of the Old Testament (Grand Rapids . And I also can grok the paradoxical Essence of a Triune God, the kind of God allowing himself to be humbled and broken in kenotic sacrifice as an example of a new Way of Being, in hope of bringing forth a Kingdom. Folks could believe, and demonstrate how what they believe causes them to live, and treat their fellow men and women. Thank you Joseph. Indeed. As is our deference in religious spheres to authorities revelations. Find it on Amazon: http://amzn.to/19X9WC7Find it at CBD: http://bit.ly/1dnBcesPeter Enns discusses the inerrancy of the Bible as an often contentious topic. St. Davids, PA 19087-3696 It went something like this: Your desire to employ empiricism as a means of knowing God; you are like a person in the middle of a realm with night-vision goggles, microscopes, radar equipment, headphones and such. And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; Thoughts? Thanks Pete, I expressed my full view in a direct response above. Certainly, too many Islamists (by no means all) are tragically attempting to force their beliefs on others, and the result is ISIS, AQ, Boko Haram, and too many other groups. I am sincerely interested in your thoughts on two ideas. Asking whether the enemy, or lunch, or nothing is moving in the bush over there is something we do together. I read the first chapter or whatever was free that you sent. Robert Anton Wilson pointed out how many people cling tightly to a single reality tunnel and dont dare to seek all the ways their tunnel overlaps with that of others. Also try googling sea of faith.. The Bible does not say Flood was universal (55). 2 Peter 1:15 and following say For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. Only if he means it in the wooden empiricist sense. These are ideals that I subjectively value. An Atheist Evolutionist Asks a Good Question of Dr. Peter Enns October 22, 2012 It seems that Young Earth Creationists are not the only ones who find BioLogos' attempt to "reconcile science and faith" lacking. This discovered aspect is something that has given us shared trust in the way of knowing and ability to converge on what is true. This is why I read your blog, Pete! 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