It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. In the NT, Jesus is dealing with 1 demoniac at a time.in one instance (the herd of pigs incident) there were 2 demoniacs. As proof of the spiritual authenticity of Torbens healings, you rely upon multitudes of people supporting your position. chas351.Thank you for your Jonathan Welton post. Step 3. Person screams, rolls around on the floor etc, and demon. A man was in the corner with his shirt off screaming inaudibly at a mirror and writhing about as if he was on fire. Arrested NOT. Torben Sndergaard is founder of The Last Reformation, a movement that has spread all around the world the last few years. He touched the bier of the dead young man. What is wrong with people? Look at the FAITH shown in His Prayer of John 17. Indeed, this is something we need to seriously consider and pray about doing. As I thought about this story of unchurched people coming to US I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. It is the primary activity of the ekklesias, it is our goal as servants of our Lord Jesus Christ, it is how the world will be reached with the gospel of the Kingdom of God. OMG! The Fiery Presence led them by night. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. If God be for us who can be against us, yet the alternate to this is get behind me satan/carnal mind, you do not savor the things of God. If it is truly the work of the Holy Spirit, then why wouldnt those healed recognize this and repent and declare Jesus as Lord? It also helps with our conversation to each other to be encouraging & uplifting, & helps us to discern error when people would give us He told CBN News the documentary ruined his reputation in Denmark. Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? I dont even have the right words for the understanding that I do have, or think I have. Johnson does say something quite alarming in his book, When Heaven Invades Earth. He says, He (Jesus) performed miracles, wonders, and signs, as a man in right relationship to God.not as God (page 29). So this is a challenge to all of us believers -wait upon Him, wait for the Holy Spirit unction and His power upon us from on high, and go out, wherever our going out is located geographically, and Well Lightning Storm, all I will say is that Pauls concern for the church turned out well in that it prompted him to warn and share many good truths with them, which we still benefit from today.blessings to you and good night, Im off to bed now. INTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWN Jhn 17:19 NASB For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. Id take issue with just one thing the gifts of healings are for the common good of both the Body of Christ (the context of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14, and the public at large (where the Apostle Paul also was used of God for healing, prophecy, and so on). Definition of WEIRD Bless you. I have heard the context of that statement explained by Bill Johnson in one of his sermons, He clearly stated in that sermon that Jesus is God and then he said that Jesus didnt perform His miracles as God but as Man, He explained that he was making the point and he was very clear on this in his sermon that we as born again believers can do empowered by the Holy Spirit the same miracles which Jesus completed while He was on earth as Jesus wasnt using His Divinity to perform those miracles but was performed them as a surrendered Man to the will of God, i.e. Secondly I remember well how Derek Prince when he held healing and deliverance meetings would always begin by praying for one or two folk with legs of uneven length. I say Thank God that He is NOT a comfortable little idol that fulfills mankinds desires, dreams, and PERFORMS according to mankinds EXPECTATIONS. I believed that I had been healed by God. Genesis 15:9; 17:9. They will do miracles and mighty works like the magicians in the palace of pharoah, when Moses, on the Lords instruction, had his staff turned into a snake. His mother really meant a lot to him and when he heard this bad news he cried and cried and then he prayed to God. Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. And this sin of jealousy among other sins such as wanting the power to speak to God in an unknown language that makes the believer feel that because he/she can now speak in tongues they are on another spiritual level or more powerful than those who cant, and dont tell me you have never thought of this! Sndergaard's legal spokesman told CBN News, "Torben's asylum case is very strong, the judge ignored the facts of the case, and Torben will not be deported anytime soon.". Luk 9:49 KJV And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils IN THY NAME; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. At last this gives me hope I was beginning to think God had forgotten us who are ill = Yes, I always believed He heals today He just doesnt heal me No I wont let that effect me I love Jesus and always will and will always endeavour to follow Him as His Word says Trust and obey I will. So when Moses comes back down the mountain the second time his face shone and he would hide it because the glory would fade. Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 days old, and He was baptised by John the Baptist when He was 30. I would point also to Mathew 24:24 where Jesus says that even the elect will be deceived by false prophets performing signs and wonders. Too PRE-OCCUPIED with the works of the devil. Acts 5:38-39 But I still have many concerns, some of which were raised from Andrew Stroms own article. Aarons rod that buddedmiraculously. My entire life is spent in a life of obedience to our Lord. That is why God allows us to repent, even as believers. 1Co 6:11 Do you believe that this glorifies God when you treat your brothers and sisters in such a way? But, if they claim to be a Christians, and a leader, then people will follow them. You will receive an email and you will need to confirm your subscription. Kan jy asb 'n skakel plaas na die, 24 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World), 20 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World), 19 December, 2022 by Deborah (Discerning the World), 18 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World). Dont put yourself in the same category of those who want to justify the legitimacy of something by the numbers of people who follow it. God plants us as good seed WHERE HE WANTS US IN HIS FIELD- then we simply let Jesus shine out from us and people in the fields around us come running. TLR is a classic cult and Torben Sondergaard is a classic cult leader. He looked up at me with joy and surprise and, springing to his feet, said, Praise the Lord, John, Jesus has baptized you in the Holy Ghost!. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Torben Sondergaard Prison Updates the Truth shall make you free 68.7K subscribers Subscribe 33 3.7K views 3 weeks ago Con-Artist Torben Sondergaard Official Jail Update. This shows the administrative authority of the empowered Son of Man. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary called "God's Best Children," which lumped Torben in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. The Hebrews had been praying for over 400 years and received no freedom from their judgment of slaverythey were filled with UNBELIEF. Jonathan Yet another person who watched the first 30 seconds of the video and ignored the rest. They were floating ON water IN the ark which is a metaphor of Jesus Christ. EVERYTHING IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS BASED ON FAITH/TRUST AND SURRENDER. I have been greatly encouraged by these videos. In fact, doesnt it say that we most certainly shouldnt do that, and then call it of God? As for me, I will stand on Gods word and challenge anyone who would do otherwise to bring forth objective evidence that these healings are from God. I honestly dont consider my understanding of this to be fully formed yet (ie, interpreting/understanding scripture) so Im reluctant to even try to discuss it in writing until I have a better grasp of things. I would like to read the entire book. always been very clear that true healings, prophecies, dreams, Everything was dependent on the Spirits uniting men to God through their faith. Andrew J, at least you dont call Bill Johnson a cancer on the Body of Christ! Brother Seymour asked the crowd, Would you like to see God have a wonderful time here tonight? Circumcision was not a foreshadow of water baptism. Like just maybe he wants His fire burning, and not that of others? Tags: Baptism of the Holy SpiritKundaliniLast ReformationSpeaking in TonguesTorben Sndergaard. May the Lord bless Pastor Torden and his friends in the Lord. What was the PURPOSE of these MANIFESTATIONS? He is an independent agent creating his own kingdom of the world, presenting it as the Kingdom of God. His Kinship (relational) was expressed epressed Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke & His Judgeship in John. He feels the solitude of the leper`s loneliness & And here I`m thinking of those around that I know & learn from in daily life. Mom Chooses Life on an Abortionist's Table, Finally Meets Her Grateful Son 2 Decades Later and the Tears Flow, 'The Chosen' Creators Announce Season 3 Finale to Premiere in Theaters Nationwide - The Reaction Is Stunning, Viral Video: Mall Security Guard Tells Man Wearing 'Jesus Saves' T-Shirt 'Take It Off Or Leave', 'All Glory to GOD!' The Gospel of Luke is about Christ the Mediator, the One who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities. TELEPORTING WAS USED OFTEN in the NT. Are you ready for a mass exodus from WIERDSVILLE ? When I read where Moses went up and God wrote the words on the tablets, and came back down the mountain, I find that those stones were written on sapphire. He healed people SOMETIMES He spoke to them of repentance OFTEN not. If on the other hand a man (like Torbin) comes doing miracles in Jesus name preached the message of the cross of Christ , calls for repentance and faith alone in Christ Jesus and whose godly lifestyle can be verified by those in the community who have know him personally THAT MAN IS SENT BY GOD! Does anyone know whats happened to Randall Lowrey? healings and miracles, etc. http://www.apostasywatch.com/Wolves/WolfReports/BillJohnsonBethelChurchReddingCa/WARNINGBILLJOHNSONandBETHELCHURCH/tabid/260/Default.aspx. 1) to fear, be afraid Spiritual warfare against demons are often focused on too much where true spiritual warfare requires heart healing, denying lies and walking in truth. There is absolutely nothing wrong with testing the spirit, e.g. The term witchcraft is only being applied to that which is not of God, not to that which is of God. Just as God turns unrepentant sinners over to their sins, He will send strong delusion to those who want to be deceived. There is nothing wrong with being cautious and asking questions. Andrew Strom COMMENTS? MIRACLES ARE A MUST! He can also STOP anytime He wants to. Thank you Andrew for this next follow up of Torben. We strive like Paul towards the prize of the High Calling in Christ Jesus. Mar 9:40 KJV For he that is not against us is on our part. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, I hear people say we GLORIFY You, Lord, Glory to the Lord, give GLORY to the Lord, if it GLORIFIES the Lord etc etc. Everyone needs to be free to be what they were uniquely called and gifted to be. Updated 7 Dec, 2020. Yeah, I think the bottom line is that people really need to read their bible more, and pray as you do it. I find that rather humorous, considering I have seen the things of the Spirit, and believed in the moving of Gods Spirit, since I was 8-10 years old. It is not open season for all our opinions as we each have those, & plenty of them. This was Torontos biggest probblem as far as Im concerned, I was there and saw it. Yet when he went back up the mountain, God said to Moses, you write the law, you want it, and so while Moses was writing the law, God was telling him about His Son and grace. Miracles, signs, and wonders could be anything that has already been mentioned in the scriptures.both OT and NT..or even beyond those things.because the miracles and wonders that Jesus did the 40 days AFTER His ascension HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. An x-ray showed severe damage, and I was off work for 3 weeks on my back, then a return to work still suffering from pain in lower back and leg (sciatica). 1 John 3:5. What I understand is that the Lord desires to manifest His manifold wisdom to the powers and principalities, not to man so much. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Based on just the video alone, we cannot verify whether these healings are genuine or not. Your prayers in your native language are so weak Jesus Christ does not even hear them, thats why God prefers you to speak to Him in a prayer language instead. July 6, 2022. Is God feeling ambivalent about those healings when He led Korban to record them? Ive had no pain since that time. All I am doing is fulfilling a biblical duty to test the spirits by asking legitimate questions; yet no one seems to want to acknowledge that and recognize it is our duty to test the spirits. Soendergaard was booked into the Orange County Jail system in or around Orlando, FL. I can understand that. `in His right hand He held 7 stars.`, This shows the executive activity of the enthroned Son of Man. Unfortunately, all we have to test the spirits with is the video. Just because someone says Lord, Lord, does not mean he is a child of God. Jhn 17:18 NASB As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. Thank you for the work put into the site, and sharing the vast amount of information & your in depth work regarding movements and doctrines that have steered off to the left or to the right, or gone astray following traditions of men or doctrines of demons and basically fallen short of the WAY, TRUTH & LIFE of Jesus our Lord and Savior. Jhn 17:13 NASB But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves. Baptizing you in water is a way of taking you back to the Hebrew way of doing things, and you push Jesus Christ completely out of the picture as the One who forgives you of your sin, instead the immersion in water is what forgives you instead. There are so many trying, Ernie wrote: I am not saying you highlighting false teaching, ChosenJulia. What you said is correct. 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